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EA on Battlefield 5 backlash against women: "This is not ok"

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EA revealed Battlefield V last month with cover art and a trailer that celebrated the women who fought in World War II. The move prompted a subset of fans to condemn the game as historically inaccurate, and now EA’s chief creative officer has rejected that response.

“Either accept it,” Patrick Soderlund says, “or don’t buy the game.”

Soderlund told Gamasutra that the development team had pushed to include women in the new Battlefield, and that the decision reflected the game’s focus on the untold stories of World War II.

“These are people who are uneducated,” he said of complaining fans. “They don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario, and listen: this is a game. Today gaming is gender-diverse, like it hasn’t been before. There are a lot of female people who want to play, and male players who want to play as a badass [woman].”

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Soderlund says that his 13-year-old daughter, who plays as a female character in Fortnite, couldn’t understand the response to the Battlefield 5 reveal trailer.

“And I’m like, 'ok, as a parent, how the hell am I gonna respond to this', and I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok'.

“And we don’t take any flak. We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don’t understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game. I'm fine with either or. It’s just not ok.”

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SkankwOn avatarThe Chimpy Man avatarRavenHawk avatarCarterJ avatarThe DJ avatarinnerdaze avatar+1
RavenHawk Avatar
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1 Week ago

I would like to point out that calling people who have legitimate complaints from a historical standpoint, that women on the front lines was far from the norm, uneducated is not okay.

There are historical facts that you can't refute because they are inconvenient for you.

Just acknowledge that you're making a game with a fictional alternate history setting. I've never seen anyone complain about Wolfenstein because it was abundantly clear that certain liberties were taken.

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CarterJ Avatar
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1 Week ago

Precisely. There is nothing at all wrong with observing historical reality. There's nothing wrong with having women serving as frontline soldiers in your fantastical reimagination of WW2 either.

But it is most definitely "Not OK" to try and use blatant bullying and shaming tactics (e.g. "uneducated") to insult people who acknowledge the composition of the armed forces that actually saw combat in WW2. The way this was done by EA/Dice indicates this was a planned controversy from the beginning, and that type of sexist marketing tactic is reprehensible.

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sarcasm83 Avatar
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1 Week ago

Yeah it's pretty absurd they're sticking to their guns with "we want to tell these untold stories of women who served during World War 2", while showing us a trench coat wearing, warpainted, one armed, no-scoping sniper waving a cricket bat.

As if that's the way to do justice to telling the stories of actual women who served during the war.

My issue is not with women, but the depiction of said woman (and said war). However it's all flagged under "not ok" and therefor, criticism will not be heard - that's their statement.

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SkankwOn Avatar
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1 Week ago

Couldn't give a toss about women in BF.

Literally, all I care about...? Is whether EA will ditch the crappy RSP and lets platoons have 3rd party servers back to better serve their communities.

SERVER INFO ASAP.

Please! :)

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The Chimpy Man Avatar
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1 Week ago

The "REALISTIC" Battlefield series has witnessed pinball physics on vehicles, soldiers surfing on the wings of planes, dolphin-diving antics, knives that deal no damage whatsoever, horses half-submerged in walls and zeppelins spinning around like disco balls, and no one batted an eye.

Yet the next upcoming game adds playable ladies, and everyone loses their bloody minds.

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RavenHawk Avatar
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1 Week ago

Using the term 'realism' is always going to fall flat in a discussion about battlefield.

However, I suspect the word people are grasping for is authenticity. And what Dice are delivering for Battlefield V (and BF1) is about as far away from an authentic portrayal of those two conflicts as you can get. But that's just my opinion. I don't doubt that there are many naysayers purely because there are playable women in the game. For me, there have been issues dating back over several of the last games.

I'm not going to get it because I haven't enjoyed a battlefield game since BF2. And that's okay. I'll just look for entertainment elsewhere.

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The DJ Avatar
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1 Week ago

If you care that much about the historical aspect of it, you are obviously not wanting to play the game. The only reason people buy video games is to relax, do something competitive, or maybe just to play the game. Not to complain about a woman in a video game.

But let's be honest, do you really want to play as a white man over and over again? Honestly, it's getting pretty old especially with the previous games.

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sarcasm83 Avatar
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1 Week ago

I'm one of the people who dislike the reveal trailer's tone and the depiction of world war 2 seen in it, but I gotta say that I'm really not at all fixated on the race or gender of the game character I play, but how the character is. If the character is awesome and believable; great. I won't be bored.

If I'm to believe I'm in the middle of a historical event, I'd want it to be authentic enough to feel like "I'm in it"... suspension of disbelief and all that.

If I were to play through untold stories of women during World War 2, I'd want to see depictions of the women who actually fought and did incredible things during WW2, rather than warpainted, one armed, no-scoping trenchcoat wearing heroes waving around spiked cricket bats.... as that's something I'd rather expect in a fictional setting.

(And hence fully accepting said depiction as it is not based off reality or sold as some "untold story")

But sure, I get your point and respect that you don't care as much... but would you care if it wasn't based on World war 2, but a fictional setting?

What reason is there for the developer to pick a major war, set in real historical events where real people fought and died if not to tell of said historical event?

Why not depict a fictional war?

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innerdaze Avatar
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1 Week ago

I've never heard of Patrick Söderlund before now, but I have immediate respect for him.

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sarcasm83 Avatar
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1 Week ago

I'm very likely not going to buy the game if the reveal trailer shows the correct tone and type of game it is.

Does it have something to with the female character? In part, yes.

Do I hate women or think women aren't allowed in the game? No, most certainly not.

I'm put off by the depiction of it all, which basically screams "World waaar 2 F**k yeaaaaah!" Team America style, while jumping through windows and no-scoping enemies with rifles, with warpaints and prosthetic limbs.

And when it comes to the female soldier; I absolutely hate the depiction. Do not read any further into this however, as I sincerely think that it would be amazing to hear actual, AUTHENTIC (or heavily inspired by real stories) stories of women that were spies, pilots, combat medics, guerrilla soldiers or soviet snipers, like Lyudmila Pavlichenko - a sniper with 309 confirmed kills.

These are the kind of untold stories that would both honor the ones who actually fought and give people a believable "historically accurate(enough)" depiction of World War 2.

But now people hate the almost cartoony, explosion riddled, exaggerated and un-authentic vibe... and what does the world do? Chalk it up as "misogyny" and completely disregard ALL criticism, even all of it that don't fall under that category.

"Well played".

Yes, I admit there are plenty of trolls and people making sexist jokes to further fuel the fire and are so anti-SJW, they're bordering on anti-women (=always calling it PC culture when a woman is seen in anything), but they ARE NOT A CROWD THAT LARGE that they could explain the entire amount of dislikes and criticism.

But this is how these things play out these days; if criticism even touches one of these sacred topics of this generation, every bit of it is ignored.

Also happened when I wished we would've seen a comic-book accurate Domino in Deadpool 2; despite it not having anything to do with racism, I was labeled one and my point of being against character change entirely ignored.

If you ask me; THAT is not ok.

But hey, EA not hearing people's criticism is not news.

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